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Contributor Funding

I just noticed a news post that Squally has setup a donation site where people have already pledged $230+ dollars/month.  Are there limitations on anyone else doing this?  For instance may I complete all interiors and create a kickstarter asking for x amount of dollars to submit the work?  we all have expenses and other priorities, but I'd be willing to work on this 8 hours a day if I am able to get funding as well.

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Do you have a faithful

Do you have a faithful fanbase built over a few years of putting awesome videos on Youtube?

Because that's who is funding Squally.

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I see the the funding rewards

I see that the funding rewards are for more Skywind previews.  So it make sense these are primarily youtube subscribers to his Skywind account.

My main question is in what capacity does someone need to be working on the mod for this to be acceptable or are there no funding limitations for anyone affiliated with this project? 

I think this opens some very interesting possibilities.  Maybe a collective Skywind contributor fund could be setup.  Where people are able to choose what areas of the project they want to fund.  Each area could be set at a reward value based on required time and skill.  Contributors could also pledge to do different tasks like redesign all dwermer interiors, create new armor set or finish another exterior region as Squally aims to do.  Upon completion, funds could be transferred from Skywind accounts to the user who fulfilled the task.  I think this would be an interesting new take in crowd funding combined with the cooperative effort we are going for here.

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As far as I know, the

As far as I know, the distinction is that Squally receives donations for running his Youtube channel and not for working on Skywind. It's a fine legal line. Receiving donations explicitly for work on Skywind would mean that people are making money off it, which has the potential to jeopardize the project from a legal perspective.

If you could find people who are willing to fund you for anything outside the project, maybe you could use that money to fuel your eight hours of work a day. Other than that, the funding limitations seems to be "no money can be made off this project".

A useful thread:

https://tesrenewal.com/forums/skyrim/skywind-development/3411

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Squally is getting funding

Squally is getting funding for his videos and videos only. Thermador is getting funding for the website and the website only. We cannot in any way get funding for the mod directly.

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Sasquatch raises some

Sasquatch raises some interesting points. Managing a projects this size is extremely challenging. It would be great if we could offer an actual wage to key people like Grumpycat who have to take a break from contributing so they can work to pay the bills.  

That being said, the others are right. Raising money could possibly jeopardize the project if Bethesda doesn't approve.

I know several of the directors at Bethesda.  They're using middleware from a company I used to work for. I'll ping them and see if I can get a more clear idea of what is and is not acceptable.

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Oh, this again..... 

Oh, this again..... 

I don't even want to bother with this right now. Even IF we could take donations for this project, there is no way you would even get a cent of it. There are people here who have worked for years on this project daily for no reward. Money shouldn't even be a thought here. 

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Sorry, SquallyDaBean I wasn't

Sorry, SquallyDaBean I wasn't very clear in my post.  I'm certainly not suggesting I'm in a position to determine whose deserving of getting paid or even if paying developers is the best use of funds.  I'm only saying it would be nice to get some clarification from Bethesda.  =-)

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Even if it did work, it would

Even if it did work, it would raise questions as to whether or not the people receiving donations actually did work equal to the amount of money they got/wanted. I could definitely see some trouble there, what if you did all the interiors and you didn't get the funding; you'd simply keep the work? We'd also get people who might not be interested in Skywind for what it is, but simply for the money. In my opinion we should keep money out of the equation.

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Squally, I think you

Squally, I think you misunderstood my first post.  I was using that mostly as an example of a possible scenario.  You are the only person financially benefiting from the project at this point.  Using Skywind to financially benefit myself is not something that had even occurred to me until I had read the article featuring you.  I agree with Mace that money would be best kept out of the equation here, entirely.  However, now that Skywind has been monetized we should consider the ethical implications.  There are many other people working on this mod who are not being paid.  Much of the reason people are paying Squally is because they want more access and they want to support progress and have the mod released sooner. 

I understand that some of the people supporting that thing may be friends or your family, but Frankly I think what you have done is wrong.  The content you are releasing has been produced by other unpaid contributors even if it has been repackaged in this valuable service you are providing.  The most offensive thing are the early access rewards which mostly have value because of our restrictive policy over our internal files.  The videos, (and files imo) should be freely available to increase interest in the mod and allow people to become involved more easily.  As I see it, these counter productive restrictions have now been monetized with you solely benefiting. 

The last point is on the attitude in the last post, which unfortunately gives me that same feeling of "Oh this again..."  Your toxic attitude is far too infectious and pervasive.  This a community effort and that level of elitism can do no good.  Perhaps working at McDonald's would do you good.  It might give you the ability to practice the humility and manners you may have never learned from your parents or peers.

http://www.gamerheadlines.com/2014/07/skywind-modder-hopes-f...

http://www.patreon.com/SquallyDaBeanz?ty=c

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I think if you can get

I think if you can get donations for something that helps skywind but isn't skywind, go for it.. if not, don't. Squally's videos are incredibly important to the project.. moreso than any individual worker is simply because that is how we get more workers.. this mod will not happen without the constant flow of interest that media spawns.

Also, it has grown to the point where professional voice actors are interested.. because of the media, Skywind is legitimate as work experience and so, it brings professionals who want to build their portfolio... It is a win-win for any important member of the team (from large tasks such as 3d modeling to smaller tasks such as voice acting).

Having a functioning website that we can have changes made to without having to worry too much is also awesome! Thermador is awesome for what he is helping us achieve..

These people are quite simply the most important members of the team. Without them, Skywind would not happen and they are the hardest to replace (therm has the money and skills for a site and squally has built the audience of media)

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We can't afford to lose

We can't afford to lose Squally, Sasquatch. I'm in a complete financial hole atm (as in hardly enough money for food), and I lead two big departments (producing my own stuff in the meantime), 7 - 8 hours a day.

And still, I'm in favor of him getting the money, not for landscaping, but for videos. He's the link between the project and the public, which is ESSENTIAL since we don't have a public release at the moment. If he doesn't have time to make and release videos, the project will fall, it's as simple as that. Faithful fanbase of his channel, and the mod as well is irreplacable. Interior artists can be. He will basically become a paid marketing specialist now, but we don't have to pay him, our fanbase does. Isn't that awesome? I think it is. And probably it's necessary. You don't seem to realise how important his media work is for the project.

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I'm with Dragomir on this.

I'm with Dragomir on this. Squally's videos are how people are discovering Skywind in the first place.  They're also removed enough from the project that I wouldn't consider it "making money" off of Skywind any more than some other YouTube channel doing let's plays (IMO).