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Skywind Rebranding Idea

Hi,

First of all, couple of words about me. I'm a 23 years old aspiring graphic designer. I've managed to finish several design projects, and even to create 2, 3 commercial works. I am a huge fan of the TES series since I was first introduced to it by the Morrowind. I'm stunned by the beauty of the Skywind, and Skyblivion projects. I really get nostalgia boner whenever I see some of the screenshots posted on this forums. That's why I want to help, and be a part of the project. I want to be a 3d modeler, but because my skills are not topnotch, for the time being I want to help you with overall branding of the Skywind project.

The rebranding process I want to start with the name itself. I do not think that "Skywind" is a bad name, by any means, but the problem is, that this name is not as creative, and clever as the project deserves it to be. Simply combining SKYRIM with MORROWIND was great to catch the public attention, but since it is already working, we should rename the project to something more prestigious. So, following the Skyrim naming process, I decided to rename Skywind to "Nerevarine". It is a great name, because it conveys the notion of being someone special (as in: dragonborn, dawnguard), it has sentimental meaning, and it is simple to remember, and/or understand.

Second step was designing the logo. I thought that the logo should represent the main features of the project. The key features in my opinion are: elegance (everything is made according to lore, and ethics of being against the piracy), strength (project is growing at a steady pace) and the "foreignness" (it is Morrowind, that we're talking about ; ) ). The result of that combination is this:



 

As you can see, the font I designed is fairly simplistic, but it has a special "weirdness" to it. 

Afterwards I created some graphics, to visualize how would logo work in promo materials. 
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The last thing was the symbol of the project. This is still an early sketch, but I think, that the best choice would be to choose The Moon And Star, but not as in Morrowind's logo, but as [SPOILER] a ring that Nerevarine obtain during the main quest [/SPOILER].

What do you think? I was doing it in my spare time, just for fun, but I need your words of criticism :)

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Certainly "Skywind" is a

Certainly "Skywind" is a project name. Maybe the problem now is that because its had quite a bit of press coverage, there will be confusion with renaming.

However I do really like the idea of "Nerevarine", for the purpose that it puts focus back onto how this game should really be played. A lot of people are always commenting on how the can't wait to play it with their Dragonborn character, extending their play time and traversing the content like its whole. Of course this just does not gel right. I think this name really forces the player to question the point of playing the game, and that is with a new character and a new destiny in a different era.

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I like the One-Clan-Under
I like the One-Clan-Under-Moon-and-Star logo.
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Well, I never really wanted

Well, I never really wanted to throw the "Skywind" into the abyss. I'm thinking about something like "Nerevarine - Formerly Skywind". The reason to rename the project is also the fact, that it needs clear and consistent presence in social medias. Youtube/skywind is already taken by some douche, the same with Twitter. I believe that after when TES RENEWAL PROJECT name came to life, we should try creating a better naming convention. Every "/tesrenewal" should be "dibsed" by now - that's the must. Further, I suggest creating accounts like "/tesrNEREVARINE", and for the skyblivion project: "/tesrAMULETOFKINGS". 

I'm sure that the process will be confusing for someone, but in a long run it would be beneficial. First thing is that the TES RENEWAL would be put in the front, ergo it would be recognizable as a group of professionals, not as "the guys behind the mod". The second is the certainty, that whenever the TES VI will comes out, people would know, that "/tesrenewal" is making probably "/tesrNEREVARINE2".

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"Nerevarine - Formerly

Nerevarine - Formerly Skywind brought to you by TES Renewal formerly Morroblivion - No please :-P

"TES Renewal: Nerevarine"

 

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"Project Nerevarine"

"Project Nerevarine"

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happychappy wrote:

happychappy wrote:

"TES Renewal: Nerevarine"

Will TESVI be "TES Renewal: Moon-and-Star"? :P

EDIT: As an addendum, the "Nerevarine" logo, while nice, doesn't really scram "Elder Scrolls" to me so much as it does, say, "Diablo". I may be alone in the, though. If so, feel free to ignore.

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...if you give a mouse a

...if you give a mouse a cookie...

i should have just stayed with morroblivion.com

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The Elder Scrolls III:

hmm...

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You're a little late 

You're a little late 

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while I like the idea,
while I like the idea, tesrenewals first project was named morroblivion, it only makes sense to stay with the naming convention we have. Skywind is a game in its own right, Skywind: Nerevarine
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If you do any renaming of the

If you do any renaming of the project do it now or keep Skywind. The project is still far away from release, so it is possible to "reteach the audience" without looking indecisive. "Skywind" as a name was introduced to the gaming community as "the name" rather than just a project placeholder. Of course, with enough press interest, this might be also possible close to release as a bang and the news sites can pick it up and help us spread the word. That would be a gamble though.

Getting a bit technical here: The Nerevarine logo might look odd for some because the typeface against the black background looks very sans-serif/ neo-grotesque (without serifs, the little horizontal and vertical lines "old fashioned" fonts bleed out to. In german they are sometimes called "Füßchen" ("feet" in direct translation)). TES brand identity usually doesn`t use these modern typefaces while products by Blizzard sometimes do. Also the products tend to be without special lettering (wich is also something Blizzard often does). Maybe you can try a font that has more prominent serifs and maybe also a bit more delicate (yours looks somewhat like a brother of the Copperplate Gothic which speaks "Industrial Age") ? Doesn`t need to be English Oldbook or some other dusty font, maybe something that speaks "tribalesque dignity" without it getting too thin or fancy, so we still have an impact and so that it stays somewhat "sober". I`m thinking Cambria or Constantia (or whatever freeware font comes close to them). I`m guessing you are working with layer effects? Should be easy to test a few fonts if the team wants to rebrand Skywind.

And about the name: Nerevarine would make sense, but phonetically it is not very "catchy". My english might fail me with the following description but anyways. Ever noticed how a lot of names in fantasy have this "left-right" feeling (I am not talking syllables here)? (Lotr for example: Gan-dalf, Isil-dor, Sau-ron, Saru-man. Or TES: Sky-rim, Morro-wind, Hammer-fell, Dragon-born). "Nere-varine" is a bit clumsy for the tongue. Maybe it might be good to think about "Nerevar" instead. It is also easier to remember.

Would be cool to know where this is going soon-ish, as I will be done with the first promo art in the next weeks and the sucker defo needs a logo under it. :)

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Quote:Simply combining SKYRIM

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Simply combining SKYRIM with MORROWIND was great to catch the public attention, but since it is already working, we should rename the project

Wait, if it's already working, why we should rename the project?  That doesn't make sense.

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to something more prestigious.

If you have a prestige-o-meter, let me know.  I'm not sure how you measure the prestige of one or the other.

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So, following the Skyrim naming process, I decided to rename Skywind to "Nerevarine".

The Skyrim naming process? 

  • Skyrim is named Skyrim because that is where you are. Skyrim. 
  • Oblivion was named Oblivion because that is where you play much of the game - the planes of Oblivion.  (Also it has IV in the middle (TESIV) and so the animated logo looks cool)
  • Morrowind was named Morrowind because that is where you are.  Morrowind.  (Well, most of Morrowind.  They originally planned on making the whole nation, but ran out of time and just went with the central island.)

"Skywind" makes TOTAL SENSE with that naming process.

If we follow your logic, Skyrim should have been named "Dragonborn", Oblivion should have been named "The Champion of Cyrodiil", and Morrowind should have been named "Nerevarine".

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[Nerevarine] is a great name, because it conveys the notion of being someone special (as in: dragonborn, dawnguard), it has sentimental meaning, and it is simple to remember, and/or understand."

Unless you have played Morrowind, "Nerevarine" has no meaning.  It isn't special, it isn't sentimental, and it isn't easy to remember, understand, or spell and pronounce correctly. 

And even if you've played Morrowind, it's still hard to spell or pronounce correctly, ESPECIALLY compared to "Skywind".

Skywind is a brand.  A brand is your reputation.  It's like a bank account.  We make brand deposits when we do good things and get publicity.  We make brand withdrawals when we screw up and get negative publicity.

Right now we are sitting on a pile of cash in the old brand bank with a well known, easy to remember/spell/pronounce brand that people already know.  You are suggesting that we just go and throw that in the trash.  Kind of hard to swallow, frankly.

 

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Dagoth-Ur, MoonAnd-Star, Nere

Dagoth-Ur, MoonAnd-Star, Nere-Var, Vvarden-Fell...

Also, as cheesy as Skywind sounds, I agree with Thermador.

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Thermador has spoken! LOL
Thermador has spoken! LOL
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stijmunkey wrote:Thermador

stijmunkey wrote:

Thermador has spoken! LOL

If you guys want to change the name of the project, go nuts.  :shrug:  I don't plan on changing the name of the website again, since "tesrenewal" encompasses all the projects.

But I'd really consider it carefully before deciding to throw the Skywind name away.

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I have rethought, I'm also

I have rethought, I'm also going to have to agree with Thermador. I do like the idea but I think that Skywind is too well known to be changed. Depending on TES VI, I'm not sure if this naming style will work as great in the future but for now, Its best to stay with Skywind. The logo is however very professional so if you could do another variation as Skywind, that would be nice.

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Personally I vote we keep it.
Personally I vote we keep it. It fits in with Tue naming convention already started by us (morroblivion) and I personally do think it is catchy and it has already gotten a lot of press and its referred to as Skywind in countless YouTube videos. Just doesn't make sense to change now.
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Don't change the name. It

Don't change the name. It would be harder for people to recognize the project. Skywind directs to this site, whereas Nerevarine would lead to confusion.

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Shoulda, coulda, woulda.

Shoulda, coulda, woulda. "Neravarine" is much cooler and professional, but as others have stated, we have already sold the name. 

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Yep, pretty much thought the

Yep, pretty much thought the same thing therm...But also whats the real gain in changing it to Nerevarine, we do not have a paid media team to get the word out, what works in the commercial center does not necessarily work in the modding sector.If we change the name we run the risk of confusing a bunch of people and what do we get, a debatable cooler sounding name that will piss off a bunch of lore nuts. We should focus on finishing skywind rather than changing every little name just because it might sound a little weird to certain people.

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Yeah, Skywind has a nice ring

Yeah, Skywind has a nice ring to it and its already out there. I do think Nerevarine is a cool title but I'm already too attached to Skywind so there is definitely no need to change it at this point. Skyblivion on the other hand has not been put out there so we might want to think about another name for this before we start pushing it out. Maybe its just me but I think it isn't as catchy as Skywind and it could use a new name but I don't want to start another war. It not a bad name so if everyone else wants to keep it, I'd be fine with it.

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Keep Skywind. The project has

Keep Skywind. The project has already gained too much momentum under that banner. The name is also fitting, and has a great ring to it. There is no reason why we should change it besides preference. 

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we can maybe we can call

we can maybe we can call skywind 1.0 like Skywind: Nerevarine. and then when we add tribunal something like Skywind: Mournhold, or just leave it as tribunal. And bloodmoon can be Skywind: Coldplacethingy or Skywind: Solsthiem

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alexanderb wrote:

alexanderb wrote:

we can maybe we can call skywind 1.0 like Skywind: Nerevarine. and then when we add tribunal something like Skywind: Mournhold, or just leave it as tribunal. And bloodmoon can be Skywind: Coldplacethingy or Skywind: Solsthiem

Im not particularly against something like this. Just as long as Skywind stays in the title replacing it just goes to far.

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Skywind: Nerevarine, Skywind:
Skywind: Nerevarine, Skywind: Bloodmoon, and Skywind: Tribunal. Ya doesn't sound too bad, I'd be ok with this
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Honestly no point adding the

Honestly no point adding the Nerevarine part.

I don't mind adding the Skywind: Bloodmoon or Skywind: Tribunal, but no point sending out "Skywind: Nerevarine". For clarity it was one or the other.

But yeah think of a better name for Skyblivion. That one sucks.

 

 

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Damn Thermador, why do you

Damn Thermador, why do you have to be so sassy? The "joke" about "prestig-o-meter"... yeah, really mature... I don't like, when the guy that shouts the loudest doesn't read what I wrote. I said that I DON'T WANT to ditch the "SKYWIND" name. It's already rooted in the community, and erasing it would be simply stupid. The same thing with the "skyrim naming convention", I said that I mean the "Dragonborn" and "Dawnguard" subtitles.

Anyways, we have to think about the future. Nerevarine name will turn into a brand after some time, and if the next TES game would be TES VI: ELSWEYR, then ELSWIND sounds stupid, the same with HIGHROCKWIND, or SUMMERWIND. We have to create a basis for future naming convention, that's why I created NEREVARINE.

I'm gonna try creating a custom font for SKYWIND name in my spare time, cause I haven't found any good free fonts. For the SKYBLIVION I suggest AMULET OF KINGS subtitle. I'll try to design that name name also.

I created to graphics with the "Skywind" name. What do you think?

 

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This is bad for your karma!

This is bad for your karma!

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I appreciate everyone's

I appreciate everyone's effort and contribution.

But seriously: Less naming/branding, more working/modding.

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I love TES: Renewal. Changing

I love TES: Renewal. Changing the team name and URL has no problem at all, after all, people who type in morroblivion.com will be redirected anyway. As for changing the project name, as cool as TES Renewal: Nerevarine looks/sounds, it's just plain too late.

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tsss this is stupid u cant

tsss this is stupid u cant half past a project rename it going to tesrenewal.com oke  but renaming it wat u wanne do go undercover sta whit skywind its a good name and every 1 knows it by nowe 

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Oh right, oh right. It was

Oh right, oh right. It was worth a shot. I'm gonna try to design SKYWIND logo, then.

After the topic of NEREVARINE is closed, what do you think about the symbol? The moon and star, I mean. It is really just an idea, but if I would add some decorations/details to it, and then render it, it could be really nice looking.

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Yeah, Montskew, its just too

Yeah, Montskew, its just too late at this point and even though Nerevarine looks pretty cool. Your points you made about the future are true but being that we already are so far into development there is no reason to change It. If you Can just do the logo as Skywind with the symbol that would be great. Skywind is nice to the tongue so we will stick to it. Also, if you want to try out some logos for Skyblivion afterwards that would be a good idea. Personally I think that name is a tongue twister and we haven't pushed it out there yet so there is a better chance with that.

And FYI, Thermador is the reason these projects exist....

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MontSKew wrote:

MontSKew wrote:

Oh right, oh right. It was worth a shot. I'm gonna try to design SKYWIND logo, then.

After the topic of NEREVARINE is closed, what do you think about the symbol? The moon and star, I mean. It is really just an idea, but if I would add some decorations/details to it, and then render it, it could be really nice looking.

 

We can still use this nerevrine thing. We can for example use it when we have material for a serious trailer. I think such font showing on screen combined with some awesome footage from Skywind would be great - we can even have a sentence like "Become a nerevarine" - well... something less cheesy bu you get the idea.

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Why is everyone ganging up

Why is everyone ganging up and being really negative towards a pretty creative idea that is actually pretty interesting. If Skywind is going to go on to produce the Tribunal and Bloodmoon expansions, then releasing the vanilla Morrowind game under the "Nerevarine" moniker is a really cool idea imo...

Not to mention the fact that there is quite a bit of interpretive development going on in this project. I mean, we have concept artists visualizing new things to put into the world, we have musicians creating their own vision of the world's soundtrack, we have modellers trying to go further into the depths of the architecture, biology, landscape, etc from the original game.... there is a LOT of expansion of original ideas from Morrowind. At this point it would be pretty fair to say that Skywind is not a 100% port of Morrowind, but more like a community built "version" of the game. A version that we are all creating together.

Yes the name "Skywind" has garnered a lot of attention due to Squally's recent youtube video, but that doesnt mean the mod has been cemented into a corner that it cannot grow out from... What Montskew is suggesting is that we branch out from being simply a mod and give some more production value to what this project really is: a massive community effort to remake a beloved game but do it BETTER.

And seriously, whats with all the aggression towards the idea in the first place? He has some pretty cool ideas and concepts

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MontSKew wrote:

MontSKew wrote:

Damn Thermador, why do you have to be so sassy? The "joke" about "prestig-o-meter"... yeah, really mature... I don't like, when the guy that shouts the loudest doesn't read what I wrote.

I read what you wrote.  That's why I sound so sassy.

mspeed101 wrote:

And FYI, Thermador is the owner of this site....

If you guys want to change your project names, by all means do it.  (Domain names are another thing, because it's a way bigger pain in the butt)

But I reserve the right to tell you if I think a name change is a bad idea. 

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MontSKew wrote:

MontSKew wrote:

Damn Thermador, why do you have to be so sassy? The "joke" about "prestig-o-meter"... yeah, really mature... I don't like, when the guy that shouts the loudest doesn't read what I wrote. I said that I DON'T WANT to ditch the "SKYWIND" name. 

Oh, mate you really shouldn't have done that  .... I mean just because you think something is a good idea doesn't mean we all think it, Thermador was just pointing out how some of your reasoning was ridiculous. There were better ways of going about this, than coming here and telling us what to do. Tbh Thermador has contributed his time and money to make this project a reality and you attacking him makes me want nothing to do with your rebranding idea.

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tommythegun wrote:

tommythegun wrote:

MontSKew wrote:

Oh right, oh right. It was worth a shot. I'm gonna try to design SKYWIND logo, then.

After the topic of NEREVARINE is closed, what do you think about the symbol? The moon and star, I mean. It is really just an idea, but if I would add some decorations/details to it, and then render it, it could be really nice looking.

 

We can still use this nerevrine thing. We can for example use it when we have material for a serious trailer. I think such font showing on screen combined with some awesome footage from Skywind would be great - we can even have a sentence like "Become a nerevarine" - well... something less cheesy bu you get the idea.

Maybe something along the lines of "Nerevarine Rises" at the end of the video, with MontSKew's fonts?

On a different note, I like the idea of having Skywind:Bloodmoon, and Skywind:Tribunal. Just a suggestion. But leave the main game as just Skywind. 

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Haha - actually "Nerevarine

Haha - actually "Nerevarine Rises" was the first thing that came to mind ;) No idea why i changed it to become nerevarine while writing this post :D

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For what it's worth, I have

For what it's worth, I have nothing against MontSKew.  I like the Nerevarine font and presentation, and it's a good idea in general.  It would have been nice to have as an option two years ago.  I am kind of a crab sometimes and I was too harsh in my wording.

However, it really is too late for a rebranding - it was back in early 2012 when the team voted to name the project "Skywind", there was a poll and everything.  Unless the "Skywind" name is damaged to the point of being unredeemable, a rebranding really isn't necessary nor prudent.

(Also, as someone who analyzes businesses and business strategy for a living, and also has an MBA and a half-dozen graduate-level marketing classes on my C.V. with top marks, I think I'm entitled to having strong opinions about branding and changing brands.  )

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Well, the argument that you
Well, the argument that you have the right to be sassy cause you own the site, and you have MBA is just funny for me, sorry. I was refering to the whole "prestig-o-meter" joke. I'm fine with the thing that you disagree with me, that's the whole point of asking you what do you think about the idea. I never wanted to force something on you. I tried to show you my vision, and get your response. What I did not like was the way you responsed. TES RENEWAL is a place of class, and elegance. There's no need to make fun out of me. I hope you understand :-) Yeah. The idea of "become the NEREVARINE" is exactly what I was thinking after the renaming idea was denied. I could try to make a 3d model out of it. That way we would be able to make an animation of the NEREVARINE flying towards the viewer. And what do you think about the AMULET OF KINGS name for SKYBLIVION? It could be used as a AOK acronym. But if you guys have a better ideas I would be glad to design something out of them :-)
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I still think the font does

I still think the font does not work. But see how nice and compact it gets without the "ine" in the end? Gotta agree with the others here though, this is too late and more important stuff needs to be done. Since you know your way around a design, maybe you want to design some flags, road signs, dagoth grafitty, potion/ booze ettiquets . Or if that is too small for you here as an idea: Mosaics and murals for temples and such. Talk with the landscapers and environment artists and see if they might have a use for that.

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MontSKew wrote:Well, the

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Well, the argument that you have the right to be sassy cause you own the site, and you have MBA is just funny for me, sorry. I was refering to the whole "prestig-o-meter" joke. I'm fine with the thing that you disagree with me, that's the whole point of asking you what do you think about the idea. I never wanted to force something on you. I tried to show you my vision, and get your response. What I did not like was the way you responsed. TES RENEWAL is a place of class, and elegance. There's no need to make fun out of me. I hope you understand :-) Yeah. The idea of "become the NEREVARINE" is exactly what I was thinking after the renaming idea was denied. I could try to make a 3d model out of it. That way we would be able to make an animation of the NEREVARINE flying towards the viewer. And what do you think about the AMULET OF KINGS name for SKYBLIVION? It could be used as a AOK acronym. But if you guys have a better ideas I would be glad to design something out of them :-)

Sorry, it's just that we get ridiculous ideas all day, and not many of us have much patience anymore.

I personally don't see the appeal in adding on AOK to Skyblivion at all, but others may want it. Depends on how it looks I guess.

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Yeah Skywind is fine as it is

Yeah Skywind is fine as it is, we aren't trying to sell a product. Work on the actual project is what's important! :)

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Ok it's clear now that we
Ok it's clear now that we will go with Skywind for this project for various reasons, lets move on to the next topic which is making the logo for Skywind. I would suggest opening a new thread because this one is filled with unnecessary negativity. I also think we should discuss another name for Skyblivion being that we haven't publicised it yet and it doesn't sound as great as Skywind. I also think that the prefix for both should refer to the game being recreated for example: The Elder Scrolls III: Skywind because this way, it gives the impression that it involves Morrowind instead of Skyrim. Now that all the arguing is out of the way I'm excited to see what we can do to make these projects better!
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"  and if the next TES game would be TES VI: ELSWEYR, then ELSWIND sounds stupid, the same with HIGHROCKWIND, or SUMMERWIND.

 

I had to single this out for how crazy it sounds. Who here is honestly insane enough to do this all over again each time they release a new TES engine? 

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Well, I would assume it would

Well, I would assume it would be a lot easier because it will most likely function quite similar to Skyrim and we will presumably already have the assets done. Depending on whether or not it has a lot of new features to take advantage of will probably decide whether or not we make it. These projects are meant to recreate them to today's standards and if TES VI is significantly improved, we may port it over. But seriously lets focus on what needs to be done.

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lifelong wrote:

lifelong wrote:

MontSKew wrote:

"  and if the next TES game would be TES VI: ELSWEYR, then ELSWIND sounds stupid, the same with HIGHROCKWIND, or SUMMERWIND.

 

I had to single this out for how crazy it sounds. Who here is honestly insane enough to do this all over again each time they release a new TES engine? 

Well, we *are* bringing Morrowind to the next gen for the second time in a row...

Honestly, a while back I kept saying we should focus on Skyblivion because that game gets like no love aside from SI, but I've come to realize that it'll probably always be mostly about Morrowind, and not much else, at least not for a while. The devs are mostly at the age where they played Morrowind when they were younger, and just have a bunch of nostalgia for it. Can't say I blame them; Morrowind was great aside from its combat.

And also, the jump from Morrowind to Oblivion is bigger in a lot of ways than Oblivion to Skyrim. The only thing that anyone would really notice if Skyblivion were completed are better effects (fire, water, magic), better shadows, and maybe different armor designs. textures might look a bit different due to Skyrim's better engine, but it just wouldn't be that big of a jump IMO.

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I had to single this out for

I had to single this out for how crazy it sounds. Who here is honestly insane enough to do this all over again each time they release a new TES engine?

Well...it all depends on the differences in the master between TES5 and TES6. This is how its going to go down. Zliav is going to start working on TES6Edit. He'll make some assessments on the differences. Same with NifUtils. Once the nodes are sorted, then we will look at extending importers/exporters to convert the models. Scripts will be refined to port quests over this time. Armours and Clothes will be refitted to new body types.

You can see where I'm going with this. There will always be people crazy enough to give it a try. Plus it will be the chance to "fix" or redo the things that were probably not done for Skywind. At the end of the day, I could spend 10 years making this perfect, but we are trying to condense it down to a year.

Funnily enough I like the sound of "ELSWIND", "HIGHWIND", "SUMMERWIND", "VALENWIND".

 

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^ Exactly! ...and I actually

^ Exactly! ...and I actually think that Summerwind and Highwind actually sound good imo too

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