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That dragon-crested helm is

That dragon-crested helm is an awesome idea

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Ok, fair enough.http://www

Ok, fair enough.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Jonus_Maximus

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Keep in mind many players will wear it too, as it's the best heavy armor available early on (unless we make it different, which I wouldn't mind)

We now have the regular imperial and the imperial ebony. And you do not acquire this armour especially early. You get it after spending a long time in the legion.

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 but because they're batshit crazy, drink dragon blood to get into a battle rage and other legions fear them.

Let's be fair. Yes, i know, Talos has something to do with dragons.

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The Red Dome Templars were psycho-crusaders who drank the blood of Talos to get short-term martial shouting powers. The rest of the Army hated them (and much of the Elder Council wanted them dispersed), which is mainly why they were shoved off to places like Morrowind.


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I never said your pauldrons are elven, I said they'd fit on a Telvanni mage, because they make the guy look like a crazy humanoid crustcean.


Praefect did. Some people seem to see a moth were you see a crustacean. I honestly see none of these.

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but please in future, if you're to compare something at least use the actual source material

Which looks even more like the templar pauldrons.

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That dragon-crested helm is an awesome idea

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Not sure if this has been

Not sure if this has been proposed before but, what about something like the Dragon helm from the house of Hador

A bit more Anglo-Saxon rather than Romanesque, but really well done.

Anyways, food for thought.

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The egos are starting to

The egos are starting to creep into this discussion in defence of every artist's concept. The thing is, there in no singular lore direction that applies to a merged armour set such as these, so arguing along those lines isn't going to legitimize anything over another person's pov. What I think we need to do is stop quoting/citing each other and look at the merits (pros and cons) of the three designs below. The ultimate decision on this will be given to the 3d artist but there is no reason why we can't find some sort of common ground out of these designs leading up to that. All the below ideas have a lot of good stuff going on.

I can tell you right now that what we would decide on probably will make nobody entirely happy, but will hopefully mean we come up with something that serves the purpose of filling the templar/dragonscale slot of armour - keeping with some traditional tropes - while also embracing updated aesthetics. So let's do this piece by piece.

Helmet: Nexus/Praetor(same) or Dragomir's
For me I'd go with the former (Nexos/Praetor). The tail upwards looks cool, but not imperial to me.

Pauldrons: Nexos or Praetor or Dragomir
I'd go with something between Nexos and Dragomir's. Praetor's is old school which is great but too bulky imo to not look a bit overdone. I like that Dragomir keeps the ridge, but I'd scale down the decorate elements and possibly make it a bit more modest in scale.

Decorative upper arm cloth/scale: Nexos or Praetor or Dragomir
Nexos or Praetor for me. I like the dragonscale element being included here. Drago's looks cool, but lessens the dragonscale element we want to show off a bit.

Cuirass: Nexos or Praetor or Dragomir

I'm OK with the manboobs that Praetor and Dragomir have added, so long as you don't have a bunch of fake abs. I really do feel that sort of detail looks really funny on female characters. I like the Crest both of their concepts have on the upper chest - but the dragon design needs to not be cut off. Nexos' design is OK, but a bit understated imo.

Gauntlet area: Everyone has the same here or something more decorate (armour-esque)
I'd personally think some sort of simple gauntlet is in order.

Skirt: Nexos, Praetor or Dragomir
A mix of Dragomir's roman leather straps (originally based on Praetor's) and that of Nexos' dragonscale elements would be nice. I wonder if you could replace Drago's cloth skirt with a dragonscale one, but keep the roman leather staps.
Boots: Everyone has the same.

If other's want to rate it in this sort of fashion, we may be able to get a sense of what people generally like and create a combined concept.

 

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Important thing to take into

Important thing to take into account with these, which hasn't been pointed out yet: Imperial armors can't look too "wierd". And by weird I mean too different from real world armors. Not because of practicality or lore or originals or anything. What they did pretty well in Morrowind was also terms of armor styles - emphasizing the contrast between native and imported stuff. The more "realistic" (or at least somewhat recognizable for the common player) Imperial armors feel, the more exotic Dunmer ones feel in turn. I think keeping that contrast between them despite the level of ornateness is a very, very important thing.

Probably why that flowy shaped pauldron thing was called "elven", even though the original was more elven in shape. In the dichotomy between exotic and familiar, it's definetly far into the first category. And yes, I am very well aware that in the lore Imperials, especially Nibenese can get as crazy as the Dunmer, but showing the conflict of cultures in designs should be prioritized before that. Playing Morrowind you constantly felt it. Walk into a Dunmer settlement and it's like an alien planet. Find a fort and you feel more at medieval fantasy home.

I have a notion that Nexos is trying to make an armor, that will make the wearer look like a dragon, but I think it automatically makes it feel organic, exotic and "weird", which isn't a bad thing in general, but bad for the Imperial set. Draconic elements should be kept more as depictions in ornamentation, rather than straight up giving people scales and dragon spines, or we'll end up attaching tails to their butts :P

Now, that's a bit different for the actual dragonscale, which is made of actual organic scales. Not to mention that even though it has "Imperial" in the name, I don't remember a single legionary wearing it, and it seemed mostly favored by Nords and Bretons. Which would make sense, considering we know from Daggerfall that Dragonlings are a monster found in High Rock, and dragons played a big part in Skyrim's history.

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Quote:Probably why that flowy

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Probably why that flowy shaped pauldron thing was called "elven", even though the original was more elven in shape.

Let's give them round pauldrons them. I remember someone earlier saying we should stay true to the original design unless we have a good reason. Praefect, Gothic, what do you say ?

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I have a notion that Nexos is trying to make an armor, that will make the wearer look like a dragon


I've found a few unrealistic armors...





Ornate armors were crazy, sometimes.

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Now, that's a bit different for the actual dragonscale, which is made of actual organic scales. Not to mention that even though it has "Imperial" in the name, I don't remember a single legionary wearing it, and it seemed mostly favored by Nords and Bretons.

Three out of eight Templars are Nords, one is an Altmer. The guys have apparently some kind of strong link with Talos, who is said to be a Nord, or a Breton.

The thing is that any lore argument can be twisted to anyone's liking.
This leads to silly 2 months discussions.
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I know ornate armors get

I know ornate armors get weird often times, especially with parade ones like these. Which is why I don't mind the shape of the helmet at all - it seems practical with dragon ornament, and I'd even make it a bit more parade-like by adding a crest. And not to mention these examples were made precisely to feel outlandish and bizzare, which frankly I'd save for Dunmer most of the time.

The rest however, if you look at parade armors - their plates usually keep similar shapes to genuine battle ones, with just more (sometimes crazy) ornamentation. If someone had a lion armor they'd have lion head helmet and pauldrons engravings, not gauntlets that make hands look like paws though, being extremely uncomfortable. So yeah, put dragons or dragon elements on it, but don't turn the guy wearing it into a dragon, is my point.

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I love ornate armor so long

I love ornate armor so long as it does not end up making the wearer look like a porcupine.  

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hey , is the design final?

hey , is the design final? give me something to model before i get depressed again and aint get a boner for half a year. no joke!!

ok, i would chose this one..

1. because i fell in love on first contact 2. it just looks impressive . 3.it reminds me on the imperial from skyrim

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I agree, the design is quite

I agree, the design is quite amazing. Looks very royal, while also confronting and intimidating. My only problem is the helmet, the dragons tail on the top really doesn't do it for me. And it serves no real purpose either, besides being decorative. I mean I think whoever wears this is going to have a hard time getting through doorways, or being snagged on tree branches. Plus in terms of practicality it becomes a huge risk on the battlefield, the enemy could just grab it and bash the wearers face into their knee.

Perhaps something similar to this would work: 

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/f3/0a/c4/f30ac4c58...
http://kyokuten.net/uploaded_files/pics/articles/Thracian%20...

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/c2/97/3c/c2973c4c44721a0b1b3bdb1e26e81991.jpg

 

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I agree with Darkslayer, I

I agree with Darkslayer, I love everything about the concept with the exception of the tail.

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I'd definitely endorse the

I'd definitely endorse the final suggestion along with Smartinius, it's what the Templar armor ought to me. Regal and Ornate. The suggestion above it in the concept art would also be pretty appropriate, being what you'd expect a Templar to wear on the field; but from what I remember the Templar armor was supposed to be ornate and to a lesser extent ceremonial. Which the final concept wholeheartedly encapsulates.

As for the helmet, I feel the rounded top (without the tail) doesn't quite give justice to the rank that goes hand in hand with Imperial Knighthood. I think it does need a little something on top, a concept art before did suggest something along those lines without ruining the design of the helmet.

All in all, stupendous work ^_^

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Why not just a plume then? A

Why not just a plume then? A big red plume would look pretty cool

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The tail looks freaking

The tail looks freaking awesome because of the whole concept of the helmet that dragon design is royal and intimidating. Hope it makes the cut.

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TobySausage wrote:

TobySausage wrote:

I'd definitely endorse the final suggestion along with Smartinius, it's what the Templar armor ought to me. Regal and Ornate. The suggestion above it in the concept art would also be pretty appropriate, being what you'd expect a Templar to wear on the field; but from what I remember the Templar armor was supposed to be ornate and to a lesser extent ceremonial. Which the final concept wholeheartedly encapsulates.

As for the helmet, I feel the rounded top (without the tail) doesn't quite give justice to the rank that goes hand in hand with Imperial Knighthood. I think it does need a little something on top, a concept art before did suggest something along those lines without ruining the design of the helmet.

All in all, stupendous work ^_^

I'll be perfectly honest Toby, I'm actually okay with how you demonstrated the tail/ crest here.  The original concept in question was just a little too over the top for my liking, but this is actually quite nice.

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Any Design ideas for the

Any Design ideas for the Blades of Morrowind

I personally liked the Oblivion design over Skyrims. It was the perfect blend of Samurai and Praetorian guard. Skyrims was a but too form fitting. The Oblivion versions helmet also looked like it could protect the sides of the wearers neck, Skyrims did not. 

Morrowind never had a set of Blades armor but I did find a suitable on DeviantArt

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Here

Here

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I also think it would work if

I also think it would work if they included a cool mask to go along with them. A mask that was shaped differently depending on which race wore it.  

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No Blades armor in the works

No Blades armor in the works so far.

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I came across a Game called

I came across a Game called Gladius. It has some slimiar Roman Inspired Armor's. Perhaps someone could use it for inspiration 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpjmPna5R50

http://www.rpgfan.com/pics/gladius/art.html

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Avenger09 wrote:

Avenger09 wrote:

Any Design ideas for the Blades of Morrowind

I personally liked the Oblivion design over Skyrims. It was the perfect blend of Samurai and Praetorian guard. Skyrims was a but too form fitting. The Oblivion versions helmet also looked like it could protect the sides of the wearers neck, Skyrims did not. 

Morrowind never had a set of Blades armor but I did find a suitable on DeviantArt

Blades Armour. Yeah, unique armour is exactly what those spies needed!

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I agree, the design is quite amazing. Looks very royal, while also confronting and intimidating. My only problem is the helmet, the dragons tail on the top really doesn't do it for me. And it serves no real purpose either, besides being decorative. I mean I think whoever wears this is going to have a hard time getting through doorways, or being snagged on tree branches.

Vanilla helmet wasn't doorway compatible either.

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Your point being? The vanilla

Your point being? The vanilla armor could use some improvements to its design as well. 

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Oh hey, I just looked at this

Oh hey, I just looked at this massive discussion about the armor and it prompted me to sign up in order to post my two-cents on the argument. Take everything I say with a grain of salt, I am in no way involved in the creation of the mod as much as any of you fellows are, but I think that as a fellow "artist" and more importantly as someone who plans to play this conversion when it comes out for at least 1000 hours, my input might be worth something to you.

I don't see any good reason to stray from the designs of the original game unless they were abhorrent (this is understandable, Morrowind isn't the prettiest game on earth), putting your own spin on something is great and what defines you as artists, but completely scrapping something in favor of your own original design which is loosely based off of some elements found within the game seems a bit absurd, especially when the majority disagrees with you.

Either way, from my understanding it would seem that smartinius has chosen the design he'd like to model (I'm glad he chose that repaint, it's my favorite one in all regards aside from the helmet which seems a bit too pronounced for my liking), so I won't say much more.

I THINK I speak for all of us when i say that we (as in the people who are going to immediately download the mod when it becomes available, bug-ridden or not) want this done fast and we want it done well. Constant debates like this are what drive games into development hell, and I hope that in the future all you extremely talented designers can come to a conclusion far quicker (hopefully without the direct intervention of the person modeling), there's a lot of stuff left to make.

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RosenBaum I wouldn't bother. 

RosenBaum I wouldn't bother. 

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AND IT CONTINUES

AND IT CONTINUES

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The last one seems like it

Cool stuff

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Guys. It's on bold for two
Guys. It's on bold for two reasons. I'm tired of this shit AND Smarti is away. I'll keep you updated. PS: The dragon with the tail upwards is a big no-no. Ain't happening.
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smartinius wrote:

smartinius wrote:

hey , is the design final? give me something to model before i get depressed again and aint get a boner for half a year. no joke!!

ok, i would chose this one..

1. because i fell in love on first contact 2. it just looks impressive . 3.it reminds me on the imperial from skyrim

I love the design of the armor but for the helmet I would suggest the other one with the tail pressed against the back of the helmet.

This helmet design reminds me of this:

This one has a more practical design yet still ornate enough befitting an imperial soldier:

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Thanks a lot for your

Thanks a lot for your insights. Your suggestions will be taken into account by our customer services. 
On behalf of the TESRenewal team, we wish you a good visit on our website.

Seriously, though, this armour needs to be reworked a lot, and I agree that the helmet with the lifted tail is completely retarded. There's been so much shit going on this thread that it got me discouraged from working on it.

I hope there'll be an update soon.

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Way to necro the living hell

Way to necro the living hell out of this post Mad God. Also they all suck Nexos, redraw them ya peasant! <3

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Yeah sorry about that, It's

Yeah sorry about that, It's just that some of these threads are quite old and I didn't want to start a new one over it :)

I meant no disrespect Nexos, I really love your work. It's just that one helmet that doesn't look very practical to me. I imagine that soldier getting stuck on wires and stuff all the time :P

Looking forward on the final ingame models!

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Oh, dont worry, the helmet

Oh, dont worry, the helmet with the upwards tail wasn't my idea either.

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