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[WIP] Imperial Cloth & Armor

Alright people, this is just a beginning, too far till the end.

This is going to take a while till I finish this model, because of school, other projects and such...

Anyway, so here I'm going to be posting WIP Images of the Armor production of the Imperials.

So, by doing this many things could change, because when I consulted with Ravanna he gave me one concept of four variants of armor, but then Denevir gave me a brief introduction to the look of the imeprial armor and the way it changed throughout the lore. So here, quite a bunch of things can change...

I'll start with the basemesh and the base cloth and things...

This is the concept provided for me

I'll try and update this first post as much as I have new stuff to show :) Feel free to suggest or anything ;)

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Cheers,

eXecutex/Oliver

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Great to have you on the team

Great to have you on the team!

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I'm loving the look of this.

I'm loving the look of this. Keep it up! 

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Looks great so far!

Looks great so far!

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omg hes started! ITS ON!

omg hes started! ITS ON!

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Hehe, thanks guys, time is my

Hehe, thanks guys, time is my hardest enemy :P

Here's an update.. continue working on the boots and the belt, I'm trying to come up with something good here as I consult with Denevir and Iceflame... Well story class is somehow finished, now we're discussing the difference between what Fred did with the concept and what Saivryn did with his...

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Omg those boots already look

Omg those boots already look epic! nicely done

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If I might impose, there
If I might impose, there could also be a binding that would go behind the knees. Just a little detail that could add something. As it is, it kinda looks like the leather would flop down depending on the weight of the plate :p
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Thanks, well yea, i'll add a

Thanks, well yea, i'll add a strap around the knee, so it can hold the greave to be phisically real :) And the leather won't flop down, because the leather straps around the cloth are hodling it up, that's why they're made for :) because there are not ties or such things... :P

here's another update, and this time I added the robe... yes.. such a pain, I was trying to figure out the shape, so here it is, i guess that's a good start... :) ^^

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Hey boys !! :D  Were you

Hey boys !! :D  Were you expecting some update from me today ? :P Hehe, here it is ! Let the karma flow ! :P

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This looks good, but I feel

This looks good, but I feel that the mage should be in light armor, to be more nimble. Magic users are in no way tanks after all. I think the pauldrons should be leather as in the concept art, not steel. Save that for the footsoldier and town/city watch. Keep up the good work :).

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Quite the contrary, Imperial

Quite the contrary, Imperial Battle Mages are heavy troops.

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Dragomir wrote:

Dragomir wrote:

Quite the contrary, Imperial Battle Mages are heavy troops.

I thought so too until I saw the concept art, it depends on your strength. With Alteration magic, Imperial Battle Mages don't need as much armor, they are akin to archers. Take the mages at Helgen in Skyrim- light armor. 

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Look at Oblivion battlemages

Look at Oblivion battlemages :P

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good point, maybe light armor

good point , maybe light armor when in combat, heavy when in town?

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Thanks guys, well I'm just

Thanks guys, well I'm just trying to bring up the main shapes first, then details, so As you can see for the shoulder pads, it's just the base, but then I plan to make it look like leathery cloth, like it was shown on Fred's concept :) Tho I must mention that some parts of the concept won't work in real life :D So, I'm trying to bring up some things that will work and are wearable if you know what I mean.

Btw I want to inform you that I won't have any work till the end of this week, lots of exams to finish (my last actually :P) then i'll do the work..

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Take your time, thanks for

Take your time, thanks for the update, and great work! ;)

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I can't wait to see how these

I can't wait to see how these turn out.  They look amazing.

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And I'm back.. Now i'm

And I'm back.. Now i'm showing you little quick a tryout of the combination with the concepts from sayivrin and fred... So what do you think ? >>

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What would that dragon be

What would that dragon be made of?

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I'm sorry but the last couple

I'm sorry, but the last couple images are ridiculous.  I hope we will be following Frederick Van De Brunt's concept as closely as possible.  It couldn't be much better.

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I think the Frederick Van De

I think the Frederick Van De Brunt concepts are right on the money, they feel very reminiscent of the original Morrowind Imperial armor but are also updated. I think they'd be a great fit for Skywind.

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Well a few of the things

Well a few of the things could be improved, as has been stated before.  Some of the cultural motiffs of the Cyrodils of Morrowind were a bit 'off'.  Like the horses.  Horses and lions - these aren't the symbols of the Empire.  Moths and dragons are their thing.  They're not just Roman knockoffs, though Romans were the primary inspiration.  There's also Akaviri (Japanese) and a bit of British in there, too.

Overall, Fred's stuff is very well done and polished, but some of the new ideas could be used to improve it further.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the horse one was a specific piece of Imperial armor from Morrowind. Totally agree about removing the lions and adding moths and such though.

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Oh it was, but horses have

Oh it was, but horses have nothing to do with the Imperials.  Replacing the horses with moths and dragons would make more sense, as THOSE are symbols of the empire.

When Morrowind was being developed, LotR was big, and the Gladiator movie was still hot.  Romans and horse motiff armor was a big thing (Rohirrim of LotR for instance).  But the empire isn't Rohan or Rome, and its symbols are not theirs.

The lack of moths and dragons for the Imperial Guard's armor was an oversight, and likely a product of the time the game was made.  This is a chance to correct it.

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I like how the look is more

I like how the look is more of a scout/ranger as the imperial forces in Morrowind would be more of a expeditionary force and would dress accordingly.

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Solid points, I'm sold.

Solid points, I'm sold.

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I'm good with horses being

I'm good with horses being replaced with moths, but that dragon metal hood doesn't really work outside of Kirkbride's highly stylised drawings... Sorry. When put in 3D it looses all character, one would have to first make a 3D mimicking concept of it and it would probably end up looking pretty bad no matter what you do. MK's drawings are awesome, but they don't translate well into 3D, and here's one of those examples...

Besides, slapping a hood with a metal dragon on it, onto a very simplistic legionnary armour looks horrible. I could see that hood on a ridiculously powerful mage in an armoured robe suited in looks, probably pale, with purple lipstick on his mouth. That could work. But this hood is definetly not a part of that simple and practical set.

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Imperial battlemahes, being

Imperial battlemages, being primarily Nibenese in culture, are far from simple in design. I could see a foreign legion stationed in Morrowind having a more Colovian influenced design, but Cyrodiilic battlemages are very "cultured" and "relish in garish costumes". Colovian designs are more in line with Fred's concepts, although battlemages are distinctly Nibenese.

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If we go for representing all

If we go for representing all the Cyrodiilian casts properly we would have a shitload of work ahead of us, that would include me redesigning that stuff again. I would have to design a whole new set just to match that one hood. Probably would be interesting, but is my time worth it? You know, I'd rather spend it on something more relevant, like bonemold. Just replace horses with moths and wheat with saltrice and we're set.

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aye, lets focus on the

aye, lets focus on the morrowind side.
If we want skyblivion armours with better designs, we can reuse the zbrush files later.

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So well... I felt bad about

So well... I felt bad about flailing my point around without a proof of concept, but I didn't have enough time. Now it was stuck in my mind so I doodled.

That's what in my opinion that hood would go with. You can use it for Skyblivion if you want :P

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Hey guys, I've been busy

Hey guys, I've been busy lately with school and other things, so I didn't really have time to work on anything, I heard your thoughts an everything, I got new concept to work on the battlemage, similarar to Fred's, so here's an update, see for yourself, hopefully you'll like it...

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Looks really good :D One

Looks really good :D One thing I'd change perhaps is to give that cloth across his chest some volume. Just make it a bit bigger so it covers more of the chest, and a bit more bulky so it seems loose. Other than that it's perfect ;)

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I like what you did with the

I like what you did with the little pteruges there, across his back, the other legionaries' would stop at the armpit the way they do in the front, though I think it's fitting here on the battlemage.

It was an obscure detail on the sketch, though I made his robe underneath the draped cloth have a collar similar to this

Another thing, see if you can tighten up the cloth around his neck, and bring it up a bit, like this

lastly, good work so far. I'll get to adjusting the gauntlets and greaves soon, though right now, I'm a bit sickly, so I will have to wait. Heck, it was even a bit difficult to write this, ahg my head feels like a dizzy potato.

edit- actually, now that i think about it with my potato brain, the picture i linked to is a bit too high for the neck cloth, though it should still be brought up close to that.

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First post, so, lol, my

First post, so, lol, my opinion is minimal, but, I love this mage set. It is absolutely in tune with Morrowind. I would love to see a moth/dragon replacement for the horses (although, I have to admit... I love the horses, ha!). The horses could be a symbol of the legion stationed in Morrowind as many of the separate Roman Legions had an animal symbol outside of the eagle. However, I find myself agreeing with the above statements that it was probably more paying homage to the popularized Hollywood films of the time.

And finally, I love the work you have put in eXecutex! This will really push the game experience to a new level. The only, very small, critique I could give would be that the collar looks to be two pieces or folds of cloth overlaid while the rest of the undercoat seems to be a single piece with no overlaid fold. But otherwise, outstanding work.

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Hey eXecutex, since you're

Hey eXecutex, since you're doing all the Imperial armours, would you add one more to the list? I've made that concept ages ago and almost forgot about it - the Imperial Ebony. It would be best if it was kept in a similar style with the other Imperial armours, so having one person do them all would be the best call. I know six armours is a HUGE undertaking, but luckily most of them don't have to be started from scratch :P

 

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Alright people, those who

Alright people, those who want to see me live working on this character, come in here: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g7dmipoakqjejeko53bmlkzxe...

Sorry if there's no update, i'm just a little busy with other stuff, but yea, come in the hangout and you can see the character live :)

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Alright guys, It was such a

Alright guys, It was such a long hangout :D And a very fun one, so we should do these hangouts more often. I thought I'm the only crazy one, but eh, turns out we are all crazy :D

Anyway, here's the update of the character, it's not final It's just DONE kitbashing around, putting all parts together :D Now, onto detailing and more...

I also added an example of the color from the concept i have for the battlemage, it's not final, could be changed in the future ;) Hope you'll like it !

Also, here's my facebook page, so if you want to, you can like it and follow me :D
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Looks good color-wise, though

Looks good color-wise, though I have an issue with the red pants, at least that particular hue of red... just my honest opinion.

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Looks awesome! Really like

Looks awesome! Really like where it's going. I'm sure it's too late for this, though I would suggest lengthening the leather strips hanging from the belt or at least adding a second row, since at their current length they don't serve their real-life purpose (to keep rocks and debris from hitting them in the boy loins)

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Is the belt going to be part

Is the belt going to be part of the body?

Also the Imperial Templar Ebony should be one of a kind, something so beautifully crafted.
 

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Alright guys, here's a more

Alright guys, here's a more polished version of the battlemage. So I'm onto detailing and retopologizing at the same time... I fixed some parts as needed. Quite a lot more to be done :D

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I think I might cry. That is

I think I might cry. That is incredible. Amazing work.

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Looking good so far, really

Looking good so far, really looking forward to the rest of the sets!

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I think it looks AMAZING!!!

I think it looks AMAZING!!! but I have a problem with the gauntlets, boots and shoulder pads. These things  should all be light armor. The boots on the first few concepts should be the light armor ones same with the gauntlets. personally I think you should try to follow Fredricks' concept exactly even the belt and colors. I can see that your just trying to make it better but your trying to to make some thing that is soooooooooooo ggggggggooooooooodddd sorry if I'm being harsh I just want this armor to be just perfect and exactly like the concept.

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On the contrary, I really

On the contrary, I really like the design, and it should stay as it is. imo.

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Hi, in my opinion, more

Hi, in my opinion, more violet colors to fit into the armor, so it may well make it look like? what do you think about that? :)


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Looks better in my opinion.

Looks better in my opinion. Red is too bright and makes the Battlemages too visible on the battlefield, like moving targets for archers.

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This is also wip, especially

This is also wip, especially the colors 

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They probably know the Shield

They probably know the Shield spell.

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