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Donations are now online

In 2014, I finally got off my bum and set up donations for the site. 

Yes that's right, here is a PayPal button!

 

Donations so far (goal is $2500/year to cover hosting costs):

* the above stats were updated December 31, 2016.

Frequently Asked Questions:

  1. Why donations?

    Well, first off a lot of people have asked if they can donate.  Also, it costs a lot of money to run this site, and I've been paying out of my own pocket for the last two years (see below).  So I set up an LLC and so forth to handle donations.
     
  2. Why an LLC and not a non-profit entity (non-profit corporation, etc.)?

    I did consider this, but I went with an LLC because it provides better liability protection for me personally, as well as other users of the site.  Plus, it's a whole lot simpler to set up.  Also, the LLC gives the "operating at a loss" situation a bit of a silver lining.  If I don't raise enough money each year to cover the costs, with the LLC, I can write off the loss against my taxable income.
     
  3. But I thought you were rich or something?

    Not really that rich, actually - just generous.  And if I have the opportunity to cover some of the costs, then that's great.  Plus, it's a big bill to pay come November (see below). 
     
  4. Why donations and not ads?

    A couple of reasons.  1) Donations are optional, ads are mandatory; 2) A lot of people block ads; and 3) A lot of ads spy on the site and its users.  No thanks.
     
  5. Where does my money go?

    Payments go to a PayPal account for the LLC.  Account info and transactions in the account will be posted quarterly (no emails or names will be shared, just summary information) so you can see how much money I "make" on this and how much it offsets the costs.  You can see the results attached to this post, below.

    Where your money ultimately goes is for paying our service providers (Dreamhost and iflychat.com) for the web hosting and chat (respectively).  The server is quad-core, 4GB ram, 500GB HDD space, Raid 1, with unlimited bandwidth.  TESrenewal's site averages about 10-20 GB of data transfer a DAY so unlimited bandwidth and a dedicated server is pretty much mandatory.  The chat is capped at 60 simultaneous users.
     
  6. What do I get for my donation?

    Nothing!  ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!  Well maybe an icon on your forum posts that shows you've donated.  That's about it though.  This is strictly out of the goodness of your heart - you can still download files, or use the site, or whatever, without donating.

    Oh and if you do donate, send me a PM and I can add the little "Donor" icon to your forum post panel (see mine to the left).
     
  7. How much do I have to donate?

    At least one cent.  Otherwise, PayPal won't let you donate.  However, with a one cent donation, your money goes straight to paypal because of the fee.

    Note that I reserve the right to NOT add the "Donor" icon if you donate a microscopic amount, such as one cent.  A few people have donated this amount, and then PM'd me for their "Donor" badge.  Nice try.  Please donate $5 or more if you want the badge.
     
  8. I've been here for years helping out with development, and I don't feel like donating because I think I've put in my time.  Problem?

    That's fine; again, donations are totally optional.  If I find anyone pressuring anyone else into donating, I will rain fire on your asses. indecision
     
  9. I am rich and I want to donate $1,000 but I want to become a moderator, or some other such deal.  Will you do it?

    No.  You can donate as much as you want, but it won't get you anything extra. cheeky
     
  10. Can I get a refund on that donation?

    Yes, but if it turns into a big hassle for me I will just refund your money and then ban you from the site.

    Imagine taking your money and setting it on fire.  That is what you are doing.  If you don't want to do that, don't donate in the first place. wink
     
  11. Don't you share this server with other sites? Shouldn't they be donating too?

    Yep, and they are.  On average, TESRenewal.com and TaleOfTwoWastelands.com use up about 95% of the server's bandwidth.  It's a race!  Donate more than the other guys.  Or whatever.
     
  12. What happens if you get more than you need?  Will you stop taking donations?  Will you keep the money for yourself (you jerk)?

    If, by some miracle, people donate more than ~$2500/year, then the excess will stay in the bank account / PayPal account to be used for future server costs.  Or, if we just have a shit ton of money, the excess will be donated to a charity after a vote on what charity (or charities) it should go to.  Pie in the sky, but it's good to have a plan I guess.
     
  13. Will donating make Skywind (or Skyblivion or Morroblivion) happen any faster?

    NO!  Donating only really helps pay for our web hosting. If you can, WE WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE YOU TO DONATE YOUR TIME - that is, learn to use the Skyrim Construction Kit and help with the project.  There are tons of youtube tutorials, text tutorials, and Skywind-specific tutorials.  If you are a hard worker and self-directed learner (or interested in acquiring these valuable skills) and also interested in learning how to mod and develop video games, this is a great project to work on.  Please see this post for details.

 

Here are some numbers:

2012 expenses:

  • 2012-07-24: $214.80 - Dreamhost Shared Hosting (paid ahead for 2 years of hosting)
  • 2012-11-05: $9.95 - Domain Registration for morroblivion.com
  • 2012-10-23: $6.66 - Dreamhost VPS trial / upgrade, for service through 2012-10-23
  • 2012-11-06: $1859.00 - Dreamhost Dedicated Server (Blue Moon 4 Dedicated) - $169/mo, with 1 mo. free if billed annually (note that multiple sites share this server, but TESrenewal.com uses about half the bandwidth)
  • 2012-11-08: -$183.27 - Refund on unused balance of Shared Hosting plan
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  • 2012 total: $1907.14 - paid by me

2013 expenses:

  • 2013-01-30: $204.00 - iflychat.com chat service (for next 12 months)
  • 2013-11-06: $1859.00 - Dreamhost Dedicated Server (Blue Moon 4 Dedicated) - $169/mo, with 1 mo. free if billed annually (note that multiple sites share this server, but TESrenewal.com uses about half the bandwidth)
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  • 2013 total: $2063.00 - paid by me

2014 expenses:

  • 2014-01-29: $204.00 - iflychat.com chat service (for next 12 months)
  • 2014-07-22: $15 - SSL certificate
  • 2014-05-06: $23.90 - two year renewal of morroblivion.com
  • 2014 misc bills - $242.90 paid by me - consider this my "donation" to the site
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  • 2014-11-13: $1859.00 - Dreamhost Dedicated Server (Blue Moon 4 Dedicated) - $169/mo, with 1 mo. free if billed annually (note that multiple sites share this server, but TESrenewal.com uses about half the bandwidth)
  • 2014 hosting - $1859.00 paid by donors!
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  • 2014 total: $2101.90

2015 expenses:

  • 2015-01-29: $204.00 - iflychat.com chat service (for next 12 months)
  • 2015-07-16: $15 - SSL certificate
  • 2015-01-09: $75.65 - domain renewals for various morroblivion and tesrenewal domains .com/.net/.org
  • 2015 misc bills - $294.65 paid by me - consider this my "donation" to the site
    (Note that this doesn't include state and federal taxes on donations that occurred in 2014, which I paid myself in 2015. I estimate these to be around $1000 total, or about $500 each, shared between the two sites, but it is difficult to get an exact figure as I am the sole member of the LLC and therefore the taxable income "flows through" and is merged with my personal income filing - turbotax takes care of the rest.  So, I'm paying the taxes myself for two reasons: so everything is nice and legal, and so donations stay in PayPal instead of being used to pay taxes)
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  • 2015-11-24: $1859.00 - Dreamhost Dedicated Server (Blue Moon 4 Dedicated) - $169/mo, with 1 mo. free if billed annually (note that multiple sites share this server, but TESrenewal.com uses about half the bandwidth)
  • 2015 hosting - $1859.00 paid by donors!
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  • 2015 grand total - $2153.65

2016 expenses:

  • 2016-01-29: $204.00 - iflychat.com chat service (for next 12 months)
  • 2016-07-17: $15 - SSL certificate
  • 2016-01-23: $67.70 - domain renewals for various morroblivion and tesrenewal domains .com/.net/.org
  • 2016 misc bills - $286.70 paid by me - consider this my "donation" to the site
    (Note that this doesn't include state and federal taxes on donations that occurred in 2015, which I paid myself in 2016. I estimate these to be around $500 total, or about $250 each, shared between the two sites, but it is difficult to get an exact figure as I am the sole member of the LLC and therefore the taxable income "flows through" and is merged with my personal income filing - turbotax takes care of the rest.  So, I'm paying the taxes myself for two reasons: so everything is nice and legal, and so donations stay in PayPal instead of being used to pay taxes)
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  • 2016-11-24: $1859.00 - Dreamhost Dedicated Server (Blue Moon 4 Dedicated) - $169/mo, with 1 mo. free if billed annually (note that multiple sites share this server, but TESrenewal.com uses about half the bandwidth)
  • 2016 hosting - $1859.00 paid by donors!
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  • 2016 grand total - $2145.70

 

 

Edited by: thermador on 01/05/2017 - 12:08
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Updated graph - you guys rock

Updated graph - you guys rock! 

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Updated graph - thanks again

Updated graph - thanks again for the donations! 

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End of month update; thank

End of month update; thank you all! 

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I have had three donations

I have had three donations for the website hosting today, but none of the people said what their username was.

No PMs from anyone, and the three paypal email addresses don't match any account on the site.

As a reminder, I can't put the "donor" icon on your profile if I don't know who you are.  Thanks for the donations though! 

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Monthly update - thanks

Monthly update - thanks everyone!  At this point we are more than ready for the hosting bill in November.  I never thought it would be this quick! 

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Why don't you accept Bitcoin?

Why don't you accept Bitcoin? It would cost literally nothing to start accepting it.

You would have to make a coinbase (or another exchange) account to exchange for US Dollar (or local currency), however.

 

It doesn't seem worth it to send credit card info across the internet if I want to donate a few bucks.  I support what you are doing and hope you complete your tasks.

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I haven't had much request to

I haven't had much request to support bitcoin, and frankly, I am not a fan of online currencies at this point in time.  It's the wild west, and sometimes people get shot. 

Monthly update, thanks everyone!

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Merry Christmas, Happy Birthday, Happy Easter... whichever...

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Monthly update, thanks

Monthly update, thanks everyone! 

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Switched from monthly to

Switched from monthly to quarterly updates since the pace of donations has slowed somewhat.  So here is the quarterly update (see first post) - there is enough money in the bank account to pay the annual hosting bill next month, and to pay the November 2015 webhosting bill as well!

I keep logging turned off to keep the site as fast as possible (and I don't use google analytics due to the privacy issues), but Dreamhost provides some summary data transfer totals for the last 30 days.  Last month, TESrenewal transferred an average of 20 GB per day via http, and 5 GB per day via https.  That adds up to about 750GB per month, or about 9 terrabytes a year.  That's quite a lot of traffic, especially considering that there are no large file downloads hosted directly on this site.

Thanks for supporting the site everyone

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Updated first post for year

Updated first post for year end 2014 - thank you everyone!

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Data and charts updated. 

Data and charts updated.  Sorry it's been so long this time.  But we have enough in the bank now to cover the server bills in both November 2015 and November 2016, so we have plenty of money for hosting for the next two years.  Alright alright alright. 

Thanks to all the donors! 

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Updated yet again after

Updated yet again after paying the annual hosting bill this morning.  Still have enough in paypal to keep things afloat through November 2018.

Thanks to all the donors, over 400 now, who support the TESrenewal projects!

 

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Updated for 2016 year end. 

Updated for 2016 year end.  Thanks again to all the donors!

Since we are using Discord for our chat service now, I did not renew the chat hosting plan.  It will expire in January 2017, and should revert to the basic version.  Of course, we could also remove it from the site completely, which would have the added benefit of speeding up the site for logged-in users.

As you may notice, donations are slowing considerably.  It appears there are two factors:

- TTW donations were very weak last year, most likely due to the release of Fallout 4 in late 2015, and delays in releasing TTW v3.0 which should be out mid-2017.

- TES donations were less than the last few years, most likely as people are fatigued in waiting for Skywind to see the light of day.

That said, we still have enough in PayPal for the November 2017 hosting bill, and are well on our way toward the November 2018 bill as well.

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hey if you guys are ever down

hey if you guys are ever down on funds, email me. i'll be able to throw in a 20 or two, if you guys are under the mark. (my email) hankwstevens@gmail.com

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Couldn't imagine costs were

Couldn't imagine costs were so high, donating my little bit now and pleaaase keep this project going on.